Leading Or Managing Chaos - All Things Product Podcast with Teresa Torres & Petra Wille
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In this episode, Petra Wille gives us a behind-the-scenes look at her newest framework—the Product Leadership Wheel. Building on the success of her PM Wheel, Petra shares how she’s tackling the complexity of product leadership by helping leaders self-assess across 12 core responsibilities. From directional clarity to cultural advocacy and process oversight, we dig into what it really takes to grow as a product leader (and why it’s okay if you’re not amazing at everything).
Whether you’re a CPO, Head of Product, or aspiring product leader, this episode will help you reflect on where you’re thriving, where you can grow, and how to build support across your org.
What we talk about:
- Why Petra created the Product Leadership Wheel
- The 3 big buckets of product leadership: People, Product, and Ways of Working
- What self-assessment can (and can’t) tell you
- Real talk about product leadership overwhelm—and how to manage it
- The risk of prematurely splitting leadership responsibilities
- How to help your team step up without abdicating leadership
Exclusive Sneak Peek:
This episode includes early insights from Petra’s upcoming email course for product leaders. It’s a behind-the-scenes look before the full framework goes public.
Resources & Links:
- Follow Teresa Torres: https://ProductTalk.org
- Follow Petra Wille: https://Petra-Wille.com
Mentioned in the episode:
- Petra’s The Product Leadership Wheel - A Framework for Defining and Growing Product Leadership at Scale
- Petra’s The PMwheel – a Compass for the Product Manager Development Journey
- Petra’s book: Strong Product People
- Y Oslo - MANAGING UP by Petra Wille
- The PMwheel in Action: A Conversation with Arne Kittler, VP Product at XING
- Petra’s How and why I decided to create the PLwheel
- Previous episode: What is Product Ops?
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